9) 幼兒園收生一般係以"先到先得"方式, 話要"interview" 都係傾吓偈而已, 有d家長會響小朋友 only a few months 就去報, 此舉主要係因為其中一團體 (救世軍) 係肯響 BB 有出世紙就收報名表大家才有錯覺話要好早報名, 其實好多 other groups (e.g. 基督教服務處, 浸信會) 都係 18 months 起先收表既....之後亦係"先到先得", 佢地收夠就唔收....有人走就又會 call waitlist 緊個 d 嚟讀
10) 救世軍出名既係以 Montessori (檬特利梳) 教學方式, 而另一有名 group 基督教服務處就係以"瑞吉歐" (唔記得英文點串喇...
), 兩種教學方法都係由d出名教育人士提出, 方法分別唔太大, 主要係以 Project based approach 去教小朋友, 訓練佢地去求知, 唔係坐響樹等 feeding 個停, Montessori 會較 knowledge based, 而瑞吉歐就較傾向啟發小朋友既創意 (which is something that you will lose as you grow older)...方向上有d唔同, 但理念都係一樣....睇你想要乜....用d "街坊"d字眼, Montessori 會較學術d, 小朋友會"識多d野", 而瑞吉歐就較 free flow, 即係響有d人眼中玩為多, 學野較少 (其實都唔係話少, 不過係由得小朋友自發咁去思考喇....so 有d家長會認為太 "free", 即係="淺")
11) So if 大家唔係打算去考救世軍轄下個d 幼兒園, then 可以唔駛咁快諗住喇...又或, 可以就當先填張 form 去排住隊, 佢地都唔會依家就 call 你 interview 既 (放心), 都係等到 BB 18 months after 先會揾你....到時你地再決定俾唔俾小朋友去都未遲既
12) 再者, both 幼兒園 (N1-N4) 同幼稚園 (K1-K3) 都係之後考小學, 大家都冇分別...不過因為 most 小學 in HK 都係"傳統教學"為主, so 有d家長亦會認為 if 小朋友讀足四年幼兒園 (因我上面講過, 幼兒園係較"淺"), 怕佢地上到小學會跟唔上, so 就會考慮先讀一年 N1, then 就轉 K1-K3, 但其實轉唔轉都好睇家長對小朋友既期望同間學校是否令你滿意喇....凡事都不能一概而論既, so 我講既係 general trend only.....
因此, 有d學校 (尤其一d名校) 為保自主性, 而做 DSS又可以仍有 govt subsidy ar ma...咁佢地又係名校, 駛乜擔心冇學生丫...so 大家不難發現有好多傳統名校 (e.g. 男拔, St Paul Co-ed) 都轉 DSS, 費事同阿公斗纏喇...反正大把 old boys/girls 去 support, 亦有好多家長千里迢迢都要去報, 而呢d學校d學費都都唔算平, 以 2005 price 計: DBS $3800/month, St Paul 仲要 $4800 添...La Salle / Maryknoll 呢d未轉係因為天主教區唔想因為要自主權就令有d負擔唔起既好學生 lost 左一個力爭上游既機會, 所以就唔俾佢辦個d學校轉喇.....不過.....響咁既情況下 (乜人都可以派入去) 會唔會仲可以保持到 high banding 呢....我都唔敢講....then 就要拭目以待喇...
d) 國際學校 (International Schools)
呢d較另類...佢地係以活動教學主, 我會形容係一條"不歸路", 即係讀佢除左要俾較多錢外 (average $5xxx+ per month, 仲要睇邊間, 好似 German Swiss Schools 呢d super international school) 俾成萬銀學費仲要買 debentures, 絕對係有錢人既玩意, ESF 算係平, 係 group schools, 不過要排隊, 據知就學費要 $5xxx 都仲要排哂大隊, interview (5 years old 起可以讀) 要全英對答....so 要好睇小朋友語文能力...
但即使小朋友得, 都要預左...讀得呢d就唔好想入番 HK D local schools, 因為大家教法 is totally different, so 讀得 International schools 都係預左第日去外國升學, or for 有d家庭打算第日移民 or 係回歸番佢個 country 用多d...
好嘞....講到呢樹, 又要 pause 先....手軟喇...
彥媽後記:
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1) 有人會問...well...咁貴點讀呀....唉....HK 地就係咁架喇....我地唔讀, 大把人都死慳死抵都想俾bb讀到...之前仲考 N 張 cert 做 profile...為既係乜呢....咪又係想佢第日條路易行d, right?
2) 你地 maybe will ask 咁唔怕丫....反正官津都有 super 名校丫...考到個d咪好囉....我當然 100% 同意...不過你識咁諗, 人人都識咁諗.....so 冇既....咪大家鬥 (a) 關係囉...e.g. 有d人無情情十世唔去教堂突然為個仔一家都變信徒, 為既係個 5 分宗教分, 咁你做唔做丫....or (b) 運氣喇, 就等於大家一齊買 Mark 6 金多寶, well...實有人中既, 不過唔知係咪自己喇.....
<<<<呢樹就係最多人出"蠱惑"既地方喇 (sorry to say that, but I do see a lot of these cases, 十世唔信教, 但為攞呢 5 分真係乜都做得出...唉...為人父母愛子女, 想佢地好我好同意, 不過明明唔信教, 突然為左呢樣去入教我就真係不能認同~~ :evil: >>>>
(八) 適齡兒童(即在九月開課時年滿五歲八個月至七歲) (10分)
<<<<呢 part 就基本上人人都有喇....除非係一d 回流既學童, 又或內地移民到 HK 既子女, 佢地嚟個時程度上只可讀小一, 但年紀上又大過 7 歲個d.....>>>>
教育局會將全港各區分成唔同校網, 大家就會收到你居住既校網可以報讀既學校, 如大家仲記得我上述 1st round 個例子...某小學咪有 40 個位可以 for 2nd round ge (記得冇?), 若該小學位於九龍塘, 咁就係 41 網, 該小學必須將大部份學額提供俾居住於 41 網之家長去申請, 但當中亦會預留好小量既學額俾其他網之家長去申請既 (間間學校都係咁) , 即係 40 個位之中可能有 5 個位左右係俾 other net 既人去申請, 35 個位就係同網至可以申請既...
so 呢點亦就引申到....因為同網係先會有最多學額可以搞珠, 咁若個個網係有好多 Band 1 小學的話, 而你又想申請, then 就梗係要住響個個網先有最大既機會喇...right? So that's why 大家會聽到電視有時報導 xxx 家長為左令個仔入到某九龍塘名校而斥資 xxxx 萬去買個單位, etc....為的就是想提高成功機會而已...
即係每個小朋友會有個 no..... If A 個隨機編號係 1 , B 係 2 , then 電腦會先派 A 既 1st choice 先, then 就派 B 既 1st choice.....so if A 同 B 既 1st choice 都係同一間學校, A 會派先囉...而又如果間學校只有一個位, 咁就 A 會成功, B 就派唔到 1st choice 喇.....要去 2nd choice ga la...
但要留意.....電腦係會按個隨機編號先派哂d人既 1st choice 先, 唔得先再同你 try 2nd choice, then if, for example, if 你1st choice 係 Maryknoll, 2nd choice 走去揀 (協恩), then 就要留意, 因為兩間都係 super 多人爭之學校, 咁排法最不智...因為 if 個小朋友隨機編號唔夠前, then 1st choice 一定派唔到, 但我頭先都講過係按所有人既隨機編號去派1st choice 既, so if 有另一個人雖然佢隨機編號唔夠你個小朋友前, 但因為佢揀協恩係 1st choice (你係 2nd ma) , so 就會派俾佢唔派俾你...明冇.....so if 你將所有d受歡迎學校順序排就極有機會死梗, 因為有其他人會以個d學校做 1st choice, then 後果係....你 1st choice 一唔掂, 就會一派就派間 8th choice or after 既俾你...老老實實...一個校網裡面, 你會想俾個小朋友讀既唔會超過 5 間, 咁既話....派個 8th choice 俾你, 同叫你去讀私校/DSS 怕都冇乜分別lu~~~~
So 當然, if 是但一間你都 OK 既咁小朋友係唔會冇書讀既, 不過你想唔想俾佢去讀某間就係另一個故事喇...
1. 學生�兒童必須:
a. 是香港居民;及
b. ․ 在教育統籌局(教統局)轄下的註冊幼稚園就讀;並年滿三歲。如未足三歲,則最少在2006年8月31日年滿兩歲八個月(即在2003年12月31日或之前出生),並在八月或九月開課的幼稚園就讀。如在2004年1月1日或以後出生,必須年滿三歲才可申請;或
․ 在教統局�社會福利署(社署)轄下的註冊幼兒中心(即幼兒園及育嬰園)接受全日制託管服務。
5) Few days later 就知得唔得架喇...得就有 call, otherwise 即係肥-ed....得就恭喜, 唔得...都冇計架喇...讀住 2nd round 原先派到個間先囉...又或 if 有私校/DSS 打底, then 就去囉....再等 P2, P3 呀睇有冇機插班喇...
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1) 我就冇呢個叩門經驗, 因為某程度上我信"東家唔打打西家", 全世界又唔一定得一間係好, so 唔存在"非君不嫁"此情況...好多野係"塞翁失馬"而已~~~
好多人以為 (又或d sales 係咁講), 放套 DWE (or other educational materials) 自細比個小朋友睇就得, 我會話呢d睇法流於表面, 因為要先明白學習, 尤其係語文, as I said above ==> 有 stimulus 冇 reinforcement 係冇用既, 語文要好係需要有適當既環境配合先可以學得好, 即係就算由朝睇VCD 睇到晚都冇用格, 全家都講中文, 睇又睇翡翠台, 親朋戚友又係講中文, 咁睇幾多都係冇用....第日生活環境又以中文為主, 返工又寫中文 memo, then 英文幾叻都俾番哂先生喇~~
Let me 打個比喻, 好似 xx 堂 sell 人減肥, 梗係話自己個減肥 mechanism 有幾好幾好架喇...我亦信對有d人真係 work (六合彩都有人中喇...) 但有幾多人 fail 又知唔知....?? From business point of view, of course 報喜不報憂既....我只係質疑個成效是否值得用幾萬銀去做咁 je...cos 大家要知, 減肥得唔得, 除左 xxx d 儀器之外, 自己既配合都好緊要 (e.g. 飲食, 運動), so 就算真係 work 係咪就等於間公司掂呢...??
因此我只係想 comment 任何若以教育為基楚的教材都唔應該以金錢掛帥....三萬幾銀一套, 即使計埋 Disney 既專利權都唔駛收咁貴, 好多大師級學者做 N 份實驗, Y 份 research, 再著書立說埋都未駛收三萬幾銀一本喇...更何況若真係要用三萬幾銀, for sure 有 a lot more alternatives 可以 choose in order to achieve the same results, 我唔會否定任何教材都有 certain extent of benefits to BB, but 我夠膽講個 benefits 唔大得過 $3x,xxx only...
However, 呢個現象響 HK 特別明顯, 我好多時去外地公幹 (e.g. SIN), 佢地d 語文學習教材好平, 好多, 百花齊放, 家長亦會自己去比較當中既 concept, 亦因為平, 就可以 try 多幾樣唔同既, so finally 會 get one that best fit their BBs, 但 HK 就唔同, 越貴就越多人買, 但成效又唔係成正比喎....因為做生意既都明白, HK d baby 好矜貴, 好多 family 係 1 kid only, 當然係想比"最好"既野 bb la...睇中呢點, 自然乜都貴.....
而 HK 地依家就係好多乜乜教材, 乜乜學校係捉住家長"希望最好既俾bb"......而出好多好多價錢高, 成效低既野, 家長就為此用左好多錢...唉~~even BB equipment, HK 一架賣 $1,xxx 既 Combi baby car, same model, 我響 SIN 見過...less than $500...你話丫....
我記得有一次我響另一個 BK topic 有媽咪討論生兩個好唔好...etc...of course 好多媽咪話: "唔喇...因為冇能力同時間養, 再者唔想分簿對大個個既愛, 及"想集中火力俾最好既野個bb, so 1 個已足夠"云云.....但同時有個另一個媽咪回應佢話 : "我認為"俾最好既野個bb" 係應該包括一個弟妹, 因為佢地可以從中學懂與人相處, 關心別人" 等等, 我睇到時不住點頭.....
我點頭唔係 about agree 人地生一個定兩個, 而係佢既 "mindset" , 佢好能 demonstrate "俾最好既野個bb" 不是只從物質出發, 亦可以包括好多 intangible things....呢點先係 all rounded learning....
BB 唔會 feel 到 $3x,xxx 同 $3,xxx 幾既教材對佢有幾大分別, 就等於著一件 Burberry 夾衣同一件永安 $39 夾衣既分別, 佢地睇到既反而係媽咪有冇一齊陪我學, lead 我學, this is far more important than any expensive 教材喇...再好既減肥機都要配合"均衡飲食"先得架嘛...係冇...
好多教材都係 based on certain basic teaching principles 而製成, nothing really special...好多平平地既教材都係 the same...睇你點 lead 而已....
話時話...我若用佢去請個外籍英文老師呀 (以$300 <= 呢個價錢係可以請得好好 quali + 單對單添架喇, average 4-5 人 class 係 around $150 only) 都可以請佢教到 100 hours+ la (以 1 week 上 1 hour 計, 可以上足 100 weeks, i.e. 2 years, if $150/hours, 嘩...可以上足四年 ) ...我就唔信"真人對話"講足四年會差得過睇隻 VCD....
so 先唔好講俾唔俾得起 $$ , 我信好多家長都唔係話真係俾唔到, 只係"值唔值得"而已.....同埋 a matter of choice la... :mrgreen:
在我而言, 我一向都話...讀書條路係好長既, 所以我唔係唔贊成早學不同語言, 但真係唔駛太快, 我會較 prefer at KG stage 先搞好中文同英語, Then 上小學先加 PTG 都未遲丫....唔係真係慢人好多 je...等小朋友響 KG 時 enjoy 多d free time 都好嘛..
當然, 有人會話...唔係丫...就算幼稚園中英普都係玩玩吓咁教 je....我都同意, 但亦就係因為咁你付出 additional $1000 可能只得回 $200 impact, 可能我份人較著重 training effectiveness la....我從來唔係介意要用錢, 但我介意用出去既錢 (尤其係學習上) 有冇成效, 以我大彥為例, 佢 3 歲幾時我都有試過 send 佢去學d e.g. "英語 fun fun fun" ar, "普通話唱遊"呀...個d咁既 course, 我當時見既係佢好似從同我家賓賓講野仲學得多響學校, 梗係喇...要注意, 語文學習係要師生比例越小越好...咁先可以多d attention to improve, 但觀乎依家好多 public courses (even KGs), 好多都成十幾廿人一班, and 當中只有 1 hour only (得幾歲人仔點可能上太耐丫, 佢地都冇 patience la...) 好嘞....咁有數得計....一班 if 12 人, 60 mins only, then 你諗諗...每人得個 5 mins , 你又認為學到學唔到呢咁....?? 你諗番中學個陣我地學就知喇...人一多....嘿...老師都顧唔到咁多喇...
於是你會諗, then 揾d 1:3 etc ga lor...同意...this proportion is much better (no matter English or PTG) 但對一個得 3 歲既小孩 (or even younger) 嚟講我又唔認為有此必要丫....不如先用一d唔駛錢既方法 (e.g. 睇下 Pearl Channel, go to library to read whatever story books) 去先建立佢對英語好, PTG 也好既"學習興趣" (learning motives) 咁會仲有用....當中父母可以不斷用 d story ar...cartoon ar...咁引吓佢地...等佢地可以先學懂聽, 認, then 再等佢地大少少, (about 5+ la) 可再以較有 system 既方法去教佢地會好d...
當然....咁你放佢去中英普幼稚園都冇話唔得, 點都有dd help ge, 但就正如我上面所言, 成效點都唔會大得過 if you spend time with kids to speak and listen and learn既, so 某程度上我地只係將個波比左學校想佢地幫手搞掂? 以為咁就一天光哂??...er...er...唔好怪我直言 ....咁就真係有點貪心囉......
再者, 語文....在我眼中係一種用嚟 commmunicate 既工具而已 (多過其他 (e.g.成績)), 因此我就會更在意小朋友既"表達能力"同"思考能力"多過佢既講...因為有前者後者要解決問題不大, 多練發音, 多講都就可以了 (好多成功人士都唔係牛津出身, 英語亦有濃重其他口音, 但 OK wor...聽得到, 睇得明就可以), 但冇前者, 英文幾叻都冇用, 隻隻字係標準牛津發音又如何? 我都聽唔明佢講野, 佢表達唔到, 又係得個桔, 須知道...將來要佢要 work independently, 我見過唔少英文攞 A 架...咁又點....同佢講野都 lak lak kut kut....問佢佢都要諗一大輪先逐隻字 dun 出嚟..唉呀...咁就死得喇.....
反而我見過唔少 (以前我大學有d professor 就係) 佢地 grammar 唔係最叻, pronounciation 又唔係最好, 但 they can speak very "fluent" English....and present logical ideas ...呢點先會重要d.....
又好似長氣左d 添...我只係想講....if 唔太介意用多少少錢, 但都等小朋友有個 learning environment ge...then go to 中英普 KG 都未嘗不可既 (不過要留意佢地d師資是否 OK), otherwise 可考慮用同樣既金錢 (or even dun need so) 先去令佢地較 expressive (方法好簡單, 多同佢地傾偈....講得多 = practice 多喇嘛 ==> 要注意, 係佢地講得多, 唔係做阿媽個個講得多喎), 令佢地先習慣同願意去表達自己想法...likes or dislikes (先用中文, 唔係一陣要將諗到既野又要轉台先講, 都好難架對佢地...) 等佢適應了, 再輔以另一語文, 咁個成效會更大....
到我仔仔時已經係冇左會考呢樣野, 冇公開考試公開計分, 只係鬥校內成績, 咁英文叻唔叻就睇個人要求呢?
==> 我就會咁睇.....呢個係好事壞事都未知....因為係得 HK , 就算唔考試, 個個都有大學讀又如何??....始終 if 供過於求的話 (想揾好工人人都想, right?) 咁就有比較 and choices ga la...employer 梗係會想揾叻個d la (in terms of language, communication skills, results, etc)...咁就算冇公開試你估d employer 分唔分到邊個好邊個更好呢....?? 只係個時 (study 個陣) 你唔知, 到揾野做個陣咪知囉....so somehow 有時考試都係一個 feedback to myself 自己 performance 係點嘛...係就係殘忍d...但都起碼知道自己水平如何, then 就諗諗如何提升囉...
好多家長成日好想小朋友可以早d 就學多d 野...為的是為佢將來舖條"易行d既路", 但 who is to define what is "易行d既路呢?"
是否"學多d野"就 = 揾到份好工 = "易行d既路" 而就 = 開心??
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我記得我以前曾經講個以下呢番說話~~~
我一向較 prefer 外國生活...唔係因為我祟洋, 又唔只係因為人地地方空氣好...而係佢地有足夠既條件 (佢地唔似 HK , govt 既 social security 較豐厚, 足使d人唔駛搏命去表現自己去爭學校, 爭工作) 去 accept people's difference, i.e. even 一個只係掃垃圾既清潔工人, 普遍d人都會尊重, respect them as an INDIVIDUAL 而唔係因為"嘩..佢掃街架...幾 cheap...!" But I am sorry to say that it does not happen in HK.
好多做父母既成日教d仔女唔好睇低別人, 但老老實實, 到問心個句, 佢地會想第日掃垃圾個個係人地個仔, 而唔係自己個個囉....right? so what does this reflect?
咁係 reflect quite a lot of HK people 睇人係會夾雜好多 other factors ge...e.g. status, $$$, or even English standard!? 英文好唔好同尊重一個人並冇必然關係...但好多時呢樹就係咁...so 以心比心, 人人都唔想比人睇低 (even though 自己話"我可以唔理人", well, somehow this is not that easy to do la...) 咁就要做d "人地睇得起"既野, or even 讀d "人地話有用既野", so in HK, 人人都話英中好, 中中係次等中學, 於是補習補習補習補習都要補到個仔入英中, 人地個個話讀某某學校先好, 因為第日出嚟可以考名校...well...仲要係人人都識個d 先算名校, 考 N 個 A 個d 先好....為既係第日要揾份好工...於是又一窩蜂去考, 但又唔知自己考緊乜...同讀哂書攞哂 A 但又唔知學過乜一鬼樣~~~ :-x
有時我心諗...好工既定義係乜...?? 老實講, 比我講..我真係一d都唔介意第日d仔同我講..."媽咪, 我想去做垃圾佬" ==> the key is 佢可以自己獨立生活到又滿足 then that's fine la....大佬呀...要掃街掃得企理唔係容易架...你估真係求其那個掃把係咁"了"就叫得呀...? In my eyes, 學會 appreciate others 遠比高成績嚟得重要.....但可惜的是...眾人已 label 了某d行業係低等...某d (e.g. 坐房嘆冷氣) 就叫高等...咁梗係人人都想高等架喇....邊個想被人看扁..??
因此我一直都想去d簡簡單單既地方, 個樹人人都會尊重一d 好唔同既 occupation even though they are not making a lot of $$$$, e.g. 博物館管理員丫...係 HK 呢d 叫做"揾唔到錢既行業, 好似 drawing 咁...唉~~) then everybody 都可以生活得冇咁大壓力, 我同阿仔都唔駛為測驗考試而劍拔弩張~~~
但係....sorry to say as long as I still 生活在 HK, 我無法唔去"介意"阿仔做垃圾佬, 因為就算我真係幾唔介意, 好多人 (including even relatives, friends) 都會"鄧我介意"...成日講....哎呀...乜你阿仔咁"唔好彩"呀...要做垃圾佬"...Well...奇怪....做垃圾佬有何不何?..又唔係偷又唔係搶....都係靠自己創天下....我唔覺有問題喎..但俾人講得多...我識睇得開 =/= 阿仔都識....我唔想佢辛苦 (even though I always wish to train him 唔好太介意人地...) 嘩...即使佢唔介意, 佢又點可以確保佢第日個老婆同佢外父母都唔介意呢?...唔嫌個"衰佬要佢一齊捱"? 哈哈 (苦笑).....我真係唔敢講...so 都係"保守" d 好...which means...又係要考好學校喇.... I have to "equip" him with such ability 去"唔被人介意"丫嘛...唉~~~~
但換著響外國...我係指d small city, 唔係好似 New York 個停 busy+big city (New York 同 HK 一樣喇, 一樣係咁爭名逐利)...你做乜起碼d人唔會覺得你 cheap, they just take that as a job..so nothing special...咁已足夠....
Then 我先唔會因為想阿仔"力爭上游"而迫佢, 什至自己去做d我同佢都唔多想做既野...(老實講...你估我想佢有 N 個課外活動咩), 但響 HK , 我都明, 你唔向前行, 人地個個行, so what does that mean ==> 你會被形容為"不思進取"囉...似隻"異形" in other's eyes...so now everybody 都要 move, 但可笑的是..其實問番d人, 原來冇個鍾意不斷行架....激死....
But that is a 大圍既 "concept" , so it is not easy (or quite impossible) to change that within a short period of time...so 人在江湖就要 fulfill the "rule of the game" la....我唔會怨 why the "rule" is like that, 我就努力同自己講...then what can I do to overcome all this la...so 唔俾阿仔響 HK study too long (真係太頂唔順個 education system) is the first step.....
But somehow this is a goal only, 冇 guarantee 實得架...but anyhow....有 hope 先有 motivation ga ma...hehehe......人要 positive D ma...
從你講呢番說話令我諗起我一個朋友, 佢地又係一個仔, 依家升 K2 la... 快考小一, 都係唔會再生喇, 所以成擔心機都響個仔樹, 次次同我傾都話想個仔入 La Salle, DBS, 又問我係咪入 CCKG 就得...依家如大家估到, 佢就係放個仔入 St Catherine, 本來上年考 CCKG 想 轉, 但又 fail 左, 依家佢就 continue to stay at St Cat, 好大 expectation 希望去到 La Salle/DBS, etc..佢地係講到明好想阿仔第日入名校...
就算轉, 係DBSSD 出來, 我諗都應該絕對唔係問題... 唔知你點睇 ?
==> 呢點我個個 friend 都係咁諗...嗱....我諗你應從多角度去睇....讀得呢d學校, 先唔好計鬥錢 (事實亦唔係個個家長都好有錢既, 咁你又放心) 但入得去, 而又留得低既一定有其過人之處, i.e. maybe 有某d才能好好..etc... so 點會出局..?? 出得局個d 多數真係頂唔順 (e.g. 真係自己讀唔上, or 父母真係 no more resources to help la..) 咁既話...先唔計人地點睇....先諗諗個小朋友喇...當佢入去 DBSPD 冇耐, 就會知呢間係名校, then 同學之間亦好 competitive (even parents) , 咁第日 no matter 佢因為 whatever reasons 要出局 (冇錢又好, 唔夠人叻又好), 我擔心既係佢點睇佢自己而已....人人都可以留低, but I can't, so imagine how he look at himself?? 自我形象會如何...男仔仲係一般較 tends to put things in their heart (內歛)...so 有好多野你要預左佢第日唔會同你講架喇 (including 功課有幾大壓力), so 入得去, 就真係唔好出嚟....你所指既"唔係問題"純係以家長角度去睇 only , but 感覺係係佢樹...then try think think his position????
當然我咁講唔係話你唔應該俾佢考, 只係我想講任何野都有一個 price, so whether parents are willing to take that price 係好重要....入得名校就要預左俾 $$ 之餘, 仲要時間, 另外又要參加好多 different extra curricular activities...well...唔可以話唔好既..有d人真係得 (see 沈靜轁, that piano kid?) 但佢背後父母放左幾多心機同時間我諗冇人會估到有幾大, 又可以幾 consistent 咁去 pay this price.....另仲要配合小朋友既天份喎, 叻人行既路會比普通人辛苦, 因為佢地會知自己係叻人, 所以唔可以做得差比人睇, cos 家人對佢 expectation 會好大, then 久而久之, 能否如此承受得了就另計..........
出嚟做野, 你都知....人際關係係好重要, so it's very important to train the kids more on 全人發展 (this include communication skills, interpersonal sensitivity, ability to look at things from different perspective, etc) 多過讀到英文 lak lak 聲 or 計數快過計數機喇...cos all these 都可以用更多後天去學 or 補救喇..
我成日都同朋友講, 入名校讀千萬唔好只睇佢俾到你既 benefits , 而係亦要自己要付出既 obligations, 好多人把口就想個仔/女入名校, 但又唔想付出相應既心血, there's no free lunch in the world ga...知冇.....
so 唔係想潑你冷水, 因為我想俾定心理準備你...基於 DBSPD competitors 眾多, 亦真係天外有天, 人外有人, 唔係 profile 厚就有用架嘛.....but 你盡管去做你認為可以幫到仔仔既野 as long as you feel comfortable, 但就要同時學懂去接受有機會你花盡心神亦會無功而還個種失落...if you are ready for this , then go, I will support~~
Continue 上面有感而發 (2) 呢 part, 因為仲有 d sharing inside:
成日都已經擔心緊: 點先可以教得距好
==> 見你咁講, 我又忍唔住要搭訕....."好"....呵呵...何謂"好"呢....你既"好"係你 define only, 唔係你個仔...我明父母既苦心...但...你又有冇 step into your son's shoes 去想想呢...e.g. 當你係細個時, 你最想見既係邊個...係咪父母呢...想父母同你玩...而唔係日日返唔同學校見老師學呢樣學個樣...??
你成日 send 佢出去學野係為佢好 (我明, 但小朋友唔會明), 佢只係會好直覺地睇到一個"事實"就係 : "父母唔想我響屋企, 所以塞我去呢樹去個樹, so 佢地都唔係好錫我 je", 久而久之, 佢地就 being trained up 到可以有同冇父母都得, 親同學多過親你, 有開心唔開心都同人講唔同你講....well...你係咪想見到一個名校畢業十項全能但同父母關係極疏離既一個仔先...?? 我想講人唔可以要哂全世界...小朋友成長尤其最初既階段父母既支持同陪伴係好緊要架 (你冇見好多問題兒童, no matter 係有錢個d 定冇錢個d 都係因為父母冇乜時間同佢地一齊而出問題既咩....)
so 好多時唔好用 "想佢第日好d" 作為 excuse 就將佢地搓圓 gum 扁....."好"我都話係你諗 only, they somehow never ask for that...而且...響你心目中要有咩地位先叫好呢.....be a Director? Manager? Own a big car? big house? 點解我地唔可以接受阿仔係一個普通人而只做一份普通既工呢...
需知呢個世界每個人都有唔同角色...and every role has its value and responsibility....有將軍都要有兵, then 將軍先可以叫"將軍"架...冇兵的話, 將乜鬼軍唧~~ so 梗有人係 higher level, 也有人係 middle level...etc...呢樣野我唔覺有問題, 問題係你點睇呢個問題而已...so your value system will definitely affect how your son view this world...so you must be very careful here ar~~
Maybe you (or most parents) thinks 讀得到書第日就唔駛捱得咁辛苦...well...咁不如我又試吓講 D facts 過你聽丫...等你又秤吓...
我有個 girl friend 佢係 St Paul Convent 畢業, 佢老公係 DBS .. 男既依家響 large international bank 做 very senior position...佢地有個女 5 years old...
但男既日日放工 10:xxpm , 一返到屋企第一時間又係開電腦, but for work wor..唔係我地咁八卦喎...個老婆想同佢講吓個女d 野佢唔係唔想聽, 係真係攰到聽唔入耳了, 個老婆同我講因此佢都唔想"煩"佢老公...但我話...個女係兩個人架嘛...can't leave all responsibilities to you ga...但佢話, 佢都知, 但佢亦明白佢老公做得d咁既位, office d 野唔係你話唔理就唔理, 再者, 讀得咁多書, 自會對人對事都有要求, 咁就更 drive him to work harder..then again, no free lunch in the world...higher $$ job means less time with family ga la....
So...the point is....你想唔想第日你個仔忙到連打個電話俾你既時間都冇..or do you really think 呢d就係叫"開心"同"等佢條路易行d"呢...好多名校畢業之人對自己都有一定要求, 因為名校呢個"label" 已賦予佢地無窮具大既壓力 (因為 HK 係一個咁既地方, d人 if 聽到你讀 DBS 但只做一個 clerk 一定會"登"起對眼, 之後用無限"同情"既眼光同說話話你知...唉呀...乜咁唔好彩呀...之類....)
so if 你係後者, then take it easy, friend...順其自然地去考, profile 唔駛多做, 呢幾年佢想學乜就由佢喇..得唔得亦無必要谷....最後, 收固之然喜, 唔收亦可欣然接受另一d option, 再以另一d方法去薰陶佢, 咁既生活態度係咪令你地都可以少d conflicts, 多d體諒呢...?? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
亦怕自己身教方面未必係最正確 .....其實有無一d好既課程or 書本可以指導下呢d 家長呢 ???
==> before you start with any books...I will first advise you to 先調較自己既睇法...cos as I said above, how you see things will affect your kid...so 你都咁諗, then 你個仔第日會因為"不能滿足你既要求 = 我唔係一個好仔喇..我令媽媽擔心", 而有好大 pressure ga...想佢生活 relax , then the first thing is: you relax first la...知嘛...
1) 直屬 - e.g. 培正中學, 香港華仁, 協恩女子中學, 喇沙 etc...呢d中學可以預留 not more than 85% of 中一學額俾番佢地既小學畢業生, so 讀佢地既小學會比街外人有"優先", 因而亦做成好多家長想讀到佢地既小學....
2) 聯繫 - e.g. 皇仁書院, 英皇, e 利沙伯官中..PLK 第一張永慶 etc...呢d 學校係可以預留 not more than 25% of 中一學額比佢地既"聯繫"小學既畢業生既..... e.g. 皇仁/英皇呢d係官校, 所以佢地既聯繫小學都係一d 官小 (e.g. 軒小) 如 PLK No. 1 佢既聯繫小學係 PLK 何壽南小學...etc (有表可以 check 到既), so 25% 都好過冇丫嘛...so 都有好多家長因而好想俾小朋友讀到呢d聯繫小學...
3) 冇關係中學 ...即係就咁中學一間, 冇其直屬/聯繫小學...
但阿公早前推出一條龍制度就係要"瓦解"上面幾種中學, 因為無論係直屬又好, 聯繫又好...都少不免要以'成績' 論英雄...then that means 學生又要被谷谷谷先可以搏到 Band 1 schools la...so 阿公就又諗d 屎橋嘞...結龍...then 就唔駛考試都可以直升中學喇...right? 咁好多學校都想既...之但係...要結龍就要 fulfill 3 criterias:
好幾年前我有睇輯好似新聞透視咁既訪問, 佢訪問一個以前係做 credit card marketing 既男士, 佢最近搞左間 kids learning centre (印象響中環, 唔知仲係樹冇...offer d 細路 course, e.g. English ar, EQ ar, 個停), 我 1st impression 已經係樹諗...吓....賣 card 既搞教育..? 我已覺唔多對路, 教細路唔係買賣, 當中 involve 好多 beliefs and ethics...唔係純睇"供求"架嘛.....
OK...唔好先 assume 人地唔得...或者人地真係有心辦教育呢...then 我睇落去....佢響入面講...大致就係"依家學前教育係有 market" ; ”我地投放左好多錢響個 centre 上” (佢地係 decorate 到個 centre 好靚, 甚麼德國來的 chair, etc...搞到個 centre 真係一入去就覺好 grand 好 high 咁) ; 所以個男士仲話...係呀, 好多家長要呢d feel, so 佢地開業冇耐就回本喇 (佢好似 invest about $1M)...即係好好賺...云云...
我一睇就拎哂頭...唉.........首先...乜辦教育, 有錢唔係放響 course development and teacher's training...以提升教學質素, 又或...推行小班教學 (e.g. 得個幾歲人仲要一班 1x 人既 English, 嘿嘿...成班細路玩多過聽喇...老師搞得秩序嚟都放學 lu ) 架咩...而係花響d external factors...仲係同教學冇 direct linkage 既 factor....唉....我都唔知講乜好...
我之前去過一d 俾細路既 "development" course 個d introductory talk.... 話提升佢地 (or so to say, "analyse") 多元智能... (MI)...嘩...做個 test $5xxx, 成個 course 又幾萬銀 (依家仲有賣廣告丫)....我承認個個 sell 個 course 既人 (should be the centre-in-charge) 把口真係好叻....仲好似醫生咁將d cert 貼哂出嚟比你睇...但我睇d Cert....well...... MSc in Marketing... Marketing....??!! 又係個句...我唔係唔信讀 business 可以講教育...不過...我更信 (從佢既 behaviour) 佢真係好能掌握家長 (customer) 既購買心理 (buying intention) 去令"消費者" 購買囉... 佢一定係 Distinction 畢業既....
之後我問佢....有冇野 (or proof) to show me any changes of my kid if 真係 join 個 course...同埋, what you will do to evaluate (佢話有 report ga ma) 我個小朋友既 MI....reliability level 有幾多....佢d師資 (佢 claim 有個 clinical psychologist 一齊 design the course, 但我事後去 check , 又 check 唔出佢呢位外籍人士有乜來頭 )...呢位後生仔 (呢個 Marketing 人) 又俾唔到個 convincing answer 比我...then 我梗係唔落疊喇...不過...就現場所見, 好多家長俾佢講到心郁郁架...事後有冇 join 亦唔到我理了...
不過....衰在我就係過唔到自己個關....做教育若冇個種堅持同信念 (教好下一代) 係唔得架...教育唔可以 treat it as a "business" , 唔係有求 (家長想學) 就要供 (開d唔知乜班, 乜都有得你讀一餐), 係要讀先讀架嘛...唔係個個 level 俾佢讀 or 冇 that need then 讀嚟做乜呀..... :evil:
What is the difference between playgroup and nursery (pre-school)?
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Playgroup ==> 有名你叫...係 Play 既 group 囉...即係純粹一大班人 get together , 當中有人做 lead 去帶d activities, then others 就 follow. 起源自外國, 因為外國地方好大...好多小朋友出世時真係方圓百里都冇乜 babies, then 佢地又冇咁早讀 KG (normally 係 4 years+ 先讀架嘛), then D mothers 就自發地 contact D neighbours ar..friends ar gum....約埋一齊等d 小 BB get contact with each other lor....see, 佢地係純為 get to know more about other BBs, 都唔係一定要有 "syllabus" ga ma....Lead 都係自己 group 內d moms 去 lead, but 傳到嚟 HK 之後就成為好多 centre 既揾錢工具了....
Pre-school 同 nursery 分別唔大, 只係多數係d 英文幼兒園 (國際化個停) 就鍾意 called those N1 as "pre-school" la....即係學前教育既一種而已....but HK style 就多數叫幼兒園, 有埋托兒成份~~
我會咁睇...我份人一向 prefer "中庸之道", 因為凡事要識得取得平衡生活先易過...唔會側埋一邊....so I agree "灌輸知識係有用", 而唔係 "早d灌輸ge知識就一定有用"....
成件事我會咁睇....小朋友學習 (learning) 可以分好多個 mode (in fact same as adults)
a) Lecturing (e.g. 上學聽老師講 or watch VCD)
b) Experience (e.g. 因為有"跌親"既 experience, so kids learn 下次行路要小心)
c) Role modelling (e.g. 有d父母佢地 smoke, so 好快細路都會 smoke)
一生人要學既野又可大致可分為 3 types:
i) Value/Attitude (This will be affected by VALUES, e.g 對與錯, 是非黑白 etc)
ii) Knowledge(知識, e.g. 1+1 =? , shoe 呢個字點解, 鞋帶的作用 etc)
iii) Skills (技巧, e.g. 如何表達自己, 思維模式)
以上 3 types, use an example to illustrate (廚師 cooking)....
1) Attitude (A) ==> 佢"認為" 凡事要盡心盡力 (this is his values), so 佢 cook 一定會好用心機, 即係佢會先去了解客人乜野食得唔食得, preference 係乜, 鍾意咸定淡 (有冇睇味吉洋一套 cartoon? ), 但有d人就只會 follow receipe only, 都唔理其他, 並認為咁就叫做 "responsible" 了
3) Skills (S) ==> 要整得有技巧囉...即係佢 steam 一條 fish, 有d廚師是鬼但就 put on a plate, 但有d人會因為對方係小朋友, 佢會特登揾隻 "叮噹" 既公仔碟去放條魚, 仲切到d 薑成朵花咁引d小朋友...well...to be honest, 小朋友唔係食d薑, 也唔會食埋隻碟, 但佢地就一定會因為有呢d 吸引而食得好開心囉...right?
好嘞....就係咁...3 樣野配合我先會形容個人係"成功"....
我對學習要求比較認真, 因為我認為只學其表面, 而不了解 (即係識講英文, 但又唔多明點解要咁講) 咁係冇用既, so 回應你既問題....."早灌輸ge知識係咪咁有用?"
Then based on what I described above....if 你講既 "知識" = Attitude/values 我會答你"係"
但若你問我係 "knowledge" 我會答你"冇必要咁早"...
再問我係 "skills" 更可以遲一步
what I am talking about ""冇必要咁早", "遲一步" 唔等於人地三歲返學, 我就六歲先返學個停...
但 values/attitude 就完全唔同, 佢係 directly affect whether the kid would like to absorb knowledge and skills 既 most important factor.... 而且 K and S 係可以透過我上面講 method (a) 都做到 (lecturing)
but values+attitudes 就唔係....(a - lecturing) 一定唔可以, 最大係要靠 (c - Role Modelling) (b - experience) 唔係唔得, but this could be risky...e.g. 小朋友偷糖食俾阿媽打...佢個 learning 唔一定係 "我下次唔可以偷糖食", 因為好睇阿媽點 handle the case, 小朋友分分鐘可以 learn 到既 message 係 "我下次要諗個好d既方法唔好俾阿媽知我偷糖食" 咁就大獲.....
So for attitude/values, 越早越好.....尤其你識講 "而家d 細路真係叻過我果代好多".....你唔去 lead 佢去諗"應該諗既野", 咁佢就好易被人地 (e.g. 傳媒) 去 lead 佢諗左另一d野, 而 value 一旦 build up , 除左佢自己, 係冇人可以令佢改架....so this is far more risky than K and S
但可惜的是, 比較多父母較 focus on equipping their K and S, but not A, 咁的話我會形容係"資源錯用", 又或用錯方法, 即係用 lecturing - 比佢學呢d學個d , 希望佢會因此鍾意讀書, 有一技之長, etc...well...咁冇話完全冇效...but the impact is really really slow.......so I would say (c) Role modelling/influence...即係...e.g. 你想個仔鍾意讀書, 唔駛下下都要 send 佢學乜學物, 係自己得閒就係屋企睇書比佢睇..佢見得你多睇, 自然就會又 lar 嚟睇架喇...so in fact 佢係 learning 緊喇...and this learning is "free of charge" right? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
So you said "幼稚園生涯真係好模糊, 亦唔覺有幾大影響我日後既路;", I would say 唔止幼稚園, 就算連中小學都係喇...因為 K and S 唔用就好快唔記得架嘛.... 你試諗下你仲記唔記得個d Maths 既 LCM ar...HCF ar 咁丫...三角幾何你仲記得幾多?? :mrgreen:
但學校老師/同學既生活態度就已經唔覺唔覺緊 influence 緊你喇...你唔覺之嘛.... so 點解d家長揀學校要揀校風為主也就是如此......
大家請先要明白....語文學習 (no matter what languages) 要學得好 (i.e. 讀, 講, 寫都要得), 呢個係一個好漫長既 learning process, 當中要 continuoulsy 去浸同 practice 先可以做得好既....所以就算頭 10 年唔停咁操, 之後 10 年用都唔用, 咁就好似揸車咁, 話之你考牌個時係 A 級畢業丫, if 考完之後 10 年唔 drive, then 再要你 drive, 你敢唔敢?...就算你敢, then 可否講係"純熟"丫......so language is the same...唔用就會唔記得, or we may say, 會好生疏, so it will need a long time to get the skills picked up again.
So based on the above principles....大家應該會明, 學語文重點就係不在於用d 乜教材, 幾時開始...而係"有幾多時間係俾小朋友去操練呢個 skills"...language 係 skills (當中係要包括有 knowledge back up, 即係要識生字, 讀音etc), 但以我睇法, 要語文好, 唔止係識幾多個生字, 個人叻過本成本字典咁都冇用格...我見過好多大學生, 佢係識唔少字, 不過硬係 speak English 時講到 luck luck kuck kuck 咁...一問佢佢個腦就淨係識用中文譯成英文....呢個一眼就知係冇(or 少) chance 去 practice 既原因喇....
So, the first thing is : create a "learning environment" ==> 即係個個環境可以令小朋友 practice 到你想佢學既語言...e.g.
1) 請個 English-speaking 既賓賓 (咁當然唔係要求小朋友講賓式口音既英文, 而係 through their conversation, 佢地就識同乜人講乜話, 亦會肯去講) ....係"肯", yes, most of the cases 係個小朋友唔係唔識, 係死唔講 only, 咁會營造到佢肯唔怕英文先....仲要叫個賓明識聽中文都唔好見個小朋友用中文問佢, 就英文答 (or even 中文), 係要扮唔識, 聽唔明, then 小朋友自然就肯用英文去講.....
For Putonghua, 都一樣, 但當然唔係揾個大 6 helper 咁解喇 (不過 if 得又唔拘呀, 好就得..hehe...我反而諗我係想有時若有d內地朋友 or parents, can ask them to come and join gathering, then 全程 Putonghua 咪得囉...) ...可以 organise 一d Putonghua speaking gathering.... 當中小朋友透過聽講就有得著, we may do the same thing for English too (i.e. English speaking fun group, etc)
2) 響屋企...可以的話...睇既係 Pearl , World Channel (or Discovery channel)
3) 去 Library, read English Story Books....係阿媽伴讀個d.....唔係掉低人叫人地自己睇, 當中睇完可以用 English to ask them a few questions (e.g. How do you feel about the story ar, like it or not, and why?...What do you think you could do if you were Peter in the story? etc...) 從而 stimulate 小朋友去用腦組織英文句子.....this is "skill drilling"
如是者....慢慢做 + 不定時 (but continuously) 去做吓以上d野, 再 + 一d English lesson at school ar 咁就好好多架喇....但我強調, 父母 "永不放棄", "永不言敗"既心係好緊要架...唔好因為小朋友唔投入就用"迫" or "打壓" or even "give up" ~~ 咁係 never get things done ga...
好嘞........睇完我上面講, 你地都見到, 好多 method 係都要小朋友有個"意識"先可以做到既...so that means 我唔係太鼓勵太小就去學語文, 我咁講唔係話細學唔好, 而係...要留意...效果唔會太高, 係"雷聲大, 雨點少"既工作 only....so 有d家長話幾個月就開始俾 English VCD ar , flash card 呀佢咁...well, 我唔會話唔得, but I do not support gum lor...因為尤其係 TV (i.e. VCD) , 佢學到既唔係英文呀, 係學到睇 TV ja, 咁就大獲, 因為 TV 係一種抹煞左"思考"既工具 (乜都"一目了然"丫嘛....駛得用腦咩...) 到時耐左, 小朋友就變成無 TV 不歡, 要戒就難矣....
因此, 我自己既 choice 係....我會等 bb 近一歲 (or at least 識行識走) 先會提供多d語文俾佢 (i.e. give him CD ar gum...仲唔一定要係 VCD, just occasionally, 平時可以聽講為主) 去令佢學習, 我唔認為歲幾先學會慢過d 幾個月就學既 bb lor
而且....尤其男仔, 佢地天生語言能力平均較女仔慢, so if 仲係初期就幾種語文一齊灌...一定腦袋大兜亂....以我二仔為例, 佢小時候 (before 1 yrs old) 就已聽英文 (因有賓賓, 同成日放 VCD 比佢聽) 結果係, 佢開始講野慢大彥好多 (大彥以前係早好多就識講野, but not 中彥 (二仔), 講野亦唔叻 (即係唔夠大彥"肯"講), 但之前大彥係姑媽湊大 (即係 HK 人), 當時只係單一語文, so 真係快好多, 好快就識有單字...仲大膽過中彥好多...起碼肯去講.....
因此, 依家細彥, 我唔會太早俾 VCD 佢睇喇....費事好似中彥咁, 依家成日要睇 TV ar... 我會等佢識行先 (around 1 yr old) 先開始俾d English materials 佢....依家呢個stage 係靠我地有時同佢講....等佢有d 印象咁架咋...唔係期望佢透過咁去識喎...
不過, 我當然唔排除個個天份唔同, 唔可以單一而論, 有d人好細個就 language 好好, 但以一般情況而言, 實不認為有需要咁早就 start 太多 "training" la..... not only language, but whatever training 都係喇 (train 佢 ng ng 就唔同...)
我亦唔 suggest 太多 language 夾雜一起既 environment, 因為每種 language 佢既 sentence structure 都唔一樣, grammar 亦可能有出入, 聽得太多唔同組合會令小朋友 logically 仲難 follow, so 佢搞唔掂就更唔想講, 因為佢講唔出丫嘛...仲會發 mung 爭架, 因為佢想表達比我地知既野佢唔知點講出嚟...會谷住咁咪易發脾氣囉....
so I suggest at one time, not more than 2 types of languages are more than enough ga la....
so 我會唔止睇間學校教d野深唔深, 夠唔夠, 而係仲會緊張埋阿仔同d咩人一齊返學呢點會更多......因為我深明 peer influence 可以有幾大.....多過識幾多個字...cos 後者我有一千幾百個方法可以補救, but not 前者....打個比喻....你就算日日抹屋, 將間屋保持得一塵不染係冇用既...只要你隔離屋個鄰居係污糟爛蹋, 我包你唔駛幾耐間屋都一定有蛇虫鼠蟻....你肯用幾好既殺虫水都冇用....係咪...??
1) 幼稚園/幼兒園一定要係非牟利既先得, 依家 HK 既幼/兒稚園係可以分開為兩一類 : (1) non profit making 非牟利 (2) Private Independent (私立獨立), (1) 要 somewhat under 政府監管 (要俾阿公去視學) whereas (2) 係唔駛既, 鍾意點都得....
2) 學費唔可以超過 $24,000 (half day) or $48,000 (full day)...因為有d non profit making 既都收超過此數 (e.g. CCKG 基督堂, 佢地係 non-profit making, but 收$28,200 per year, so 即係又唔得)
3) 學劵明年開始有, 上限係 $13,000, 即係各合資格幼稚園可以按收生人數向政府申索此額, 但只係當中$10,000 用作學費之用, 其餘 $3,000 係用作教師培訓i之用, so take an example, 若以一間收年費係 $16,000 既幼稚園嚟計, 即係家長只需付 ($16,000-$10,000 = $6,000 per year), 若分 10 個月收, 即係每月 pay $600 only, 的確有減壓之用
4) 此計劃只惠及 3-6 歲之小朋友, so that means N1 係唔計既 (兩歲班, 因為此乃"不一定要返既學" so it's only for 家長自己 choose 了)
後記:
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因此, FYI, St Catherine, Kentiville or most of the Kowloon Tong KGs 佢地都係"私立獨立"幼稚園, 因此, 政府呢個計劃都會對佢地做成幾大既影響, cos 家長 may 因為有資助而轉選其他都唔錯但係 non profit making 既幼稚園, St Cat 同 Kentville 呢d都因為"歷史悠久", 有一定既教學賣點都或可以繼續生存, 但其他 (e.g. Cannan, York, 方方樂趣呀呢d) 就真係要諗諗係咪要減費 or 轉做 non profit making 了....